The lesbian comic

Session Start: Wed Sep 26 03:10:34 2007
Session Ident: #drunkduck
[03:10] * Now talking in #drunkduck
[03:10] * Topic is 'haikus are easy / but sometimes they don't make sense / refridgerator '
[03:10] * Set by blu|away!ksmh.ude.2c133cb8.f8538f4a|rotstirips#ksmh.ude.2c133cb8.f8538f4a|rotstirips on Tue Sep 25 19:11:06
[03:10] * ChanServ sets mode: +o killersteak
[03:10] < poinko > well, if they went back to sidescrolling, they could worry more about graphics and gameplay than having to spend time hacking an old camera program and debug it
[03:10] < killersteak > well ill be damned, that comic IS done by a dude
[03:11] < Blues > the gay one?
[03:11] < killersteak > yeh
[03:11] < poinko > which one?
[03:11] < poinko > heh, really?
[03:11] < rougey > ?
[03:11] < poinko > and here you had me convinced
[03:11] < killersteak > http://www.drunkduck.com/community/view_topic.php?tid=26438&cid=550&comic_id=7405
[03:11] < killersteak > in their forum
[03:12] < rougey > what comic?
[03:12] < Blues > well companies could make larger games with keeping side scrolling but still making it look good, they just won't cos it wont be 'next gen' enough
[03:12] < poinko > i dont see it D:
[03:12] < killersteak > >Drazi, from Eric: Kinda… not all that much though ^^ I started working out when I was younger, but then got lazy and kinda gave up ^^;;;
[03:12] < killersteak > >Kitkit, from George: Hm.. I think I kinda always knew, just didn't really think about it until I was about… *thinks* 14? Maybe a little older? Luckily it was always a pretty casual thing for me and I accepted it easily ^^
[03:12] < poinko > hey, they released odin sphere, right? :p
[03:12] < killersteak > the question was "When did you first realize you were gay?"
[03:13] < poinko > it seems as though the author is answering for the character though
[03:13] < killersteak > oh
[03:13] < killersteak > ohhh…
[03:13] < poinko > im guessing on that though
[03:13] < rougey > can't girls also be gay though?
[03:13] < poinko > no
[03:13] < Blues > yeah but odin sphere is like psychonauts and beyond good and evil
[03:13] < poinko > they're 'lesbians'
[03:14] < killersteak > that makes sense, i had the tab open for ages and just as im closing stuff i see what i had open
[03:14] < rougey > gay refers to homosexuals it doesn't specify gender..
[03:14] < poinko > i mean, it could still be a guy though
[03:14] < killersteak > and the thread i had open was "character interviews"
[03:14] < poinko > no, girls that like other girls are lesbians
[03:14] < killersteak > could be
[03:14] < killersteak > brb
[03:14] < poinko > and guys that like other guys are gay
[03:14] < poinko > or queer
[03:14] < poinko > or homo
[03:15] < poinko > or any of those other fun and/or obscene words :p
[03:15] < killersteak > why would a lesbian write about gay dudes?
[03:15] < rougey > not with the original useage of that slang phrase…
[03:15] < Blues > even my plutonic love for you poink?
[03:15] < Blues > im sure I spelt that wrong
[03:15] < poinko > i dunno
[03:15] < poinko > anne rice writes about gay vampires
[03:15] < killersteak > damn, i forgot how funny that wakiki rabbit bugs bunny cartoon was
[03:16] < rougey > http://kudasai.stripspace.com/ <—-done by lesbians and it's about to gay guys…
[03:16] * killersteak has been going through youtube
[03:17] < poinko > huh, i wonder if that comic is drawn manga style too
[03:17] < rougey > it's actually a pretty funny comic
[03:18] < poinko > I'LL BE THE JUDGE OF THAT
[03:18] * poinko gets his smitening bolts ready
[03:18] < rougey > you can only judge if you read the whole thing mind you
[03:18] < poinko > i probably will not find it funny at all, since i am obviously not this comic's target audience
[03:18] < poinko > that's not true
[03:19] < rougey > comics are suppose to have a target audience? +_+
[03:19] < 10Kaizer > Not necessarily.
[03:19] < killersteak > stripspace?
[03:20] < 10Kaizer > Unless you intend it to.
[03:20] < poinko > if i eat a bite of hamburger, see
[03:20] < poinko > and it tastes horrible
[03:20] < poinko > im not gonna eat the whole thing to decide if it's good or not
[03:20] < rougey > thats different and you know it
[03:20] < killersteak > lol
[03:20] < poinko > i'm gonna spit it out
[03:20] < poinko > and stop going to mcdonalds
[03:20] < rougey > or maybe you don't….
[03:20] < Blues > I blindly wait for food poisoning to see if it's bad
[03:20] < rougey > guess i should quit assuming people are intelligent…
[03:20] < poinko > i can read 5 strips and know if this comic is not for me
[03:21] < poinko > and also if it's good or bad
[03:21] < poinko > okay, if i show you a comic
[03:21] < killersteak > seems to be a gag a day thingy
[03:21] < rougey > poinko must miss out on hundreds of good comics…
[03:21] < rougey > how sad
[03:21] < poinko > and every strip is a picture of a penis
[03:21] < poinko > and the caption is a quote from a movie
[03:21] < poinko > that is highly unrelated to penises
[03:22] < rougey > is it funny?
[03:22] < poinko > like there's a picture of a wang and the quote is jimmy stuart's filibuster speech from 'mr smith goes to washington'
[03:22] < poinko > and there's 100 of these similar strips
[03:22] < poinko > each with a different wang and a different quote
[03:23] < poinko > and you read 10 and think 'this comic isn't very good, i'm not gonna read it'
[03:23] < rougey > i fail to see what that has to do with anything
[03:23] < poinko > it's a comparison that you're making
[03:23] < killersteak > its not very funny so far
[03:23] < poinko > just because i read a small bit and think 'this comic isn't that great'
[03:23] < poinko > right, my point exactly
[03:24] < Blues > im with steak on the funny, ive read at least 10 pages
[03:24] < poinko > you do realize that not every comic has a sole intent to be funny, right?
[03:24] < Blues > i demand this one is though
[03:24] < rougey > tell me if the first 15 pages of a book are boring but after that it turns out to be the best book ever written…who misses out more…the person who stopped at page 15 or the other person?
[03:25] < killersteak > it seems like the sorta comic id only read through if i knew the author
[03:25] < poinko > right
[03:25] < poinko > but what if it keeps being boring?
[03:25] < poinko > and never picks up?
[03:25] < poinko > and you read the whole thing and think
[03:25] < poinko > 'damn, i wasted 12 hours on this tripe'
[03:25] < Blues > it feels like something that gay guys might appreciate and girls who like yaoi kinda stuff
[03:26] < rougey > thats the risks involved in life….but in order to judge something properly one must read the whole thing…
[03:26] < rougey > which is what i was saying in the first place..
[03:26] < poinko > i'll judge however i see fit
[03:26] < poinko > but with something like webcomics
[03:26] < killersteak > still not very funny
[03:26] < poinko > that have no level of quality control
[03:27] < poinko > the first 10 strips are all you need to know what to expect
[03:27] < rougey > i suppose poinko you are entitled to live in such a narrow minded boring way…
[03:27] < poinko > and 9 times out of 10, the first 10 strips dictacte the quality of the rest of the story
[03:27] < poinko > assuming there are more than 10 strips of course
[03:28] < 10Kaizer > Even if it makes drastic changes maybe 10, 20 strips down the road?
[03:28] < 10Kaizer > Suddenly becomes funny and actually good?
[03:28] < killersteak > it seems like the sorta comic will would write if he were locked away in a wardrobe for a month
[03:28] < poinko > well, that's the exception to the rule, though
[03:28] < rougey > the first 20 or so pages of a comic are on average the worst made by the author….anyone who actually reads webcomics would know this,…
[03:28] < poinko > usually if someone does a comic long enough they get better at storytelling and art
[03:28] * killersteak looks at simon
[03:28] < poinko > i'm not saying the point you're making isn't valid
[03:28] < 10Kaizer > I'd figure the best thing to do is read the first ten and last ten comics in the archive.
[03:29] < 10Kaizer > That way you get a good feel of how its changed from past to present.
[03:29] < poinko > i'm just saying that a person will know in the first strips they read whether or not the comic will be to their tastes
[03:29] < rougey > or read the comic backwards :P
[03:29] < 10Kaizer > That is true also.
[03:29] < killersteak > well the corner of my mouth lifted a bit at the jellyfish one
[03:29] < poinko > this comic that you just posted
[03:29] < 10Kaizer > You could do even 20 of the latest pages.
[03:29] < rougey > i've never found that to be true poinko
[03:29] < poinko > about gay boys having sex drawn in manga style
[03:30] < poinko > it could be th ebest thing in the world
[03:30] < poinko > it could destroy literary titans like a tale of two cities
[03:30] < rougey > tale of two cities sucked..
[03:30] < poinko > but i can tell before i'm knee deep that this story isn't for me
[03:30] < poinko > therefore i will skip it
[03:30] < Blues > I swear the artist draws women, erases the breasts and calls em gay guys
[03:30] < poinko > that doesn't make me narrow minded or boring, as you've pointed out
[03:31] < poinko > narrow minded and boring would mean that i refuse to even give it a chance
[03:31] < rougey > call it whatever you'd like poinko
[03:31] < poinko > it would mean that if it's not a story built around a proper specification of my own, that i ignore it completely
[03:32] < Blues > im gonna go through this comic and add the boobs back in and advertise it as my own comic about lesbians
[03:32] < poinko > but don't act like you're some kind of bastion of good taste and fine art and i'm some simple minded prat just because i don't find a shonen ai webcomic funny inside of 10 strips
[03:32] < killersteak > i thought they did have breasts
[03:33] < rougey > this has nothing to do with the shonen ai comic it was a matter of arguement
[03:33] < rougey > and you have yet to show me that you are otherwise
[03:33] < poinko > and you've presented a poorly constructed one, might i add
[03:33] < killersteak > to find out lets all read my grenz comic and rate every page 5 and advertise it everywhere
[03:34] < killersteak > yup sounds good to me
[03:34] < poinko > well, i'd say that me actually presenting a fair side of my argument without calling you names would be a pretty good example
[03:34] < poinko > of course, that's just my boring, narrowminded view :3
[03:34] < killersteak > i agree that the humour seems like something only gay people would laugh at….
[03:34] < rougey > not calling you names…only pointing out the actions i was refering to
[03:34] * killersteak closes the comic
[03:35] < Blues > i dunno, when I read this comic I think mel and other yaoi girls would get giggles out of it, maybe gay guys too
[03:35] < Blues > it doesnt have a very wide appeal
[03:35] < rougey > if it was about a guy and a girl would you feel differently killer?
[03:35] < killersteak > no cos its still not very funny
[03:36] < killersteak > if at all
[03:36] < killersteak > …ok lets try going backwards
[03:37] < rougey > odd it seems to have very similure humor to irc…..or maybe it just me that sees that….useually is…i make connections most people overlook..
[03:38] < killersteak > "if you pulled down your pants now i would probably lick at your parts." that reminds you of irc?….
[03:38] < Blues > only if muntron made it
[03:38] < poinko > no, i'm pretty sure saying i'm narrowminded is the same as calling me names
[03:39] < rougey > though i dun know why i try to point things out to people online they always end up taking offense as if i'm attacking them…but i never talk about people…just the concepts and actions…
[03:39] < Blues > but munt wouldn't say parts
[03:39] < killersteak > i didnt take offense
[03:39] < poinko > there are more tactful ways to 'point things out'
[03:40] < rougey > your view oint is narrow poinko that was not ment as an insult mearly an observation…no harm was ment by it
[03:40] < killersteak > i suppose i did say it seems like something will would do… without the gayness of course
[03:40] < rougey > biased by the gayness?
[03:40] < poinko > actually, you'd be pretty surprised at how open minded i am
[03:41] < killersteak > im just trying to not call will gay…
[03:41] < poinko > i have the comic window open still, and i am goring through the archives
[03:41] < Blues > i didnt take offence but you've been coming off as we're all overlooking something you have great insight into and that we're clearly not understanding the comic if we can't see it too
[03:41] < Blues > do it steak
[03:41] < rougey > i wasn't talking about the comic….
[03:41] < poinko > but with every 'next' button i click, i'm believing more and more in my own opinion
[03:42] < poinko > no, but the comic is what spurred this conversation
[03:42] < rougey > yes but we moved past that…atleast i did..
[03:42] < killersteak > thing is… i did read through most of that boy love comic… rockstar linked it to me… yet i wouldnt read this one cos without humour theres nothing going for it
[03:42] < poinko > see, you have your right to your own opinion, as do i
[03:42] < poinko > your opinion is not something i'm going ot fault you for, and i would at least hope to get the same of you
[03:43] < rougey > yes thats true…
[03:43] < poinko > do you call everyone who has a different opinion from yours narrowminded?
[03:43] < rougey > i dun fault you
[03:43] < poinko > because, ironically, that's a narrowminded viewpoint
[03:47] < rougey > strange how people always seem to fail to understand me…i speak simple and yet still….oh well
[03:47] < rougey > twas fun debating with you
[03:47] < rougey > ^^
[03:47] < killersteak > :(
[03:47] < poinko > nice reply
[03:47] < rougey > you have interesting opinions
[03:48] < poinko > i'm a big fan of the 'oh you just don't understand, oh well bye bye' without explaining any of your reasoning
[03:49] < rougey > telling if you try to explain something and only get anger and defensive reactions and no interesting unexpected responses would you continue?
[03:49] < killersteak > they still look like chicks
[03:49] < rougey > debates like that are boring
[03:50] < 10ZZZger > ‘/nick Rutger
[03:50] < Blues > yeah, but reading the first few pages it looks like the girls just guy’d up their own avatars
[03:50] < poinko > i'm not angry, i'm just waiting for you to give a logical explaination behind your thought process
[03:50] * ZZZger is now known as Rutger
[03:50] < rougey > they are chicks..as they would be as guys…
[03:50] < poinko > so far, your side of this debate has been cop out shit excuses like 'you don't understand'
[03:50] < killersteak > oh
[03:51] < rougey > i would but i type extremely slowly
[03:51] < Blues > reading the beginning makes it look like the comic is largely a comic for themselves to read
[03:51] < poinko > i've got allllllll day to hear your side
[03:51] < rougey > not excuses… you have so far shown no comprehension
[03:51] < poinko > (well, 40 minutes, but that should be plenty of time)
[03:51] < poinko > no comprehension to what?
[03:51] < rougey > sadly i have class
[03:51] < poinko > no you don't :p
[03:52] < rougey > yes i do…
[03:53] < poinko > i think you should seriously reconsider how you approachother people and their opinions while you're in class
[03:53] < Blues > it's ok poink, if you want I can stay and sound condescending <_< just so I dont sound like im dancing around what I'm saying, rougey you're sounding a tad condescending
[03:53] < killersteak > :/
[03:53] < killersteak > http://kudasai.stripspace.com/d/20061223.html
[03:54] < poinko > because calling people narrowminded and boring for expressing their opinions on a certain subject is indeed pretty rude and condescening
[03:54] < rougey > i don't mean to but it's hard not to with poinkos responces…i'm sorry i sound like that….
[03:54] < poinko > especially when they explain their reasoning while you give crap reasons to defend yours
[03:54] < poinko > i really, really hope you're not going to law school
[03:55] < rougey > i was just trying to tell you how you sounded to me poinko so you could explain better instead you just focused on that
[03:55] < poinko > because 'you just don't get it' doesn't hold up as well as you'd like to believe
[03:55] < poinko > well, i feel i did a pretty decent job of explaining why i think the way i do
[03:55] < poinko > let me summarize for you:
[03:55] < poinko > 1) i don't read too much into certain things because they simply do not interest me
[03:56] < poinko > your point of 'not judging until you read the whole thing' is pretty correct
[03:56] < poinko > because you cannot get a wholly accurate view of the work as a whole until you take in every aspect
[03:57] < poinko > but the subject i was on is webcomics, and as i've explained, from my experience with reading webcomics, you don't need to read the whole thing to know if it's right for you
[03:57] < rougey > which was the entire point of this conversation poinko
[03:57] < poinko > yes there is a difference between a work being good overall, and a work being enjoyed by someone
[03:57] < poinko > you said yourself a tale of two cities was boring and uninteresting, yes?
[03:58] < rougey > are you saying that the story in a book is different then a story in a webcomic?
[03:58] < poinko > no, and you'll find out if you'll let me finish
[03:58] < rougey > yes but i read the entire thing not just the first 10 pages
[03:58] < poinko > you said it was boring, right?
[03:58] < poinko > okay
[03:59] < poinko > there are plenty of people who consider it among the greatest literary works in the world
[03:59] < rougey > though boring it did inspire interesting thoughts…
[03:59] < poinko > you read it and didn't find it all that great
[03:59] < poinko > does that mean that people who think it's fantastic can say you're narrow-minded?
[03:59] < poinko > or boring?
[04:00] < killersteak > http://kudasai.stripspace.com/d/20061012.html :|
[04:00] < rougey > the writting was very good the subject it's self was boring…if it was just about the writting style the book would be considered very good
[04:00] < poinko > if i read this shonen ai comic all the way through and found it to be boring, uninteresting and uninspired, am i still narrow minded?
[04:00] < killersteak > i should prolly stop reading this since its not the topic any more
[04:00] < rougey > no then your making an informed opinion
[04:00] < Blues > im finding it consistantly not funny and panders to a very limited audience
[04:01] < poinko > how is my opinion worth more or less if i read 10 strips or 100?
[04:01] < poinko > surely my opinion won't be as informed
[04:01] < poinko > but would that mean it doesn't have any kind of insight at all?
[04:02] < poinko > would this opinion be worth nothing at all?
[04:02] < killersteak > i can hear birds…
[04:03] < killersteak > 4am in the morning
[04:03] < poinko > eat them
[04:03] < rougey > with a fork
[04:03] < killersteak > id better get to sleep before the magpies start
[04:03] < poinko > mmm pie
[04:03] < rougey > ^^
[04:04] < killersteak > night/morning
[04:04] < killersteak > …bye
[04:04] < poinko > see ya
[04:04] < Blues > seeya
[04:04] * Disconnected